All the years I have run linux

[Max]

All the years I have run linux it has always lacked good video support but that is changing. It does some of the best screen capture you can do of any of the OS's I have seen to date now. This was captured just playing and then converted from the original size of 1920x1080 to 960x540 so the file wouldn't be too big. But I hope it shows the ability to do some very good screen capture for tutorials in the future. The original film is 36mb and excellent quality, I crushed it a little extra so everyone could see it.

Right click and save it to your local machine to view it, if firefox opens it the distortion is pretty high.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/desktop.avi

[Diamond Lil]

Max,
My Mac directs me to this page (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/components.html?os=OSX&ctype=696d6463&csubtype=78766964) because it says that QuickTime needs additional software to view the avi. Do you have any clue what I would need to do to view it?

[Max]

Max,
My Mac directs me to this page (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/components.html?os=OSX&ctype=696d6463&csubtype=78766964) because it says that QuickTime needs additional software to view the avi. Do you have any clue what I would need to do to view it?

Lil it is a standard avi file but I can make it any codec I like except blu-ray because of copyright issues. I'll make an mpeg or wmv version and post it when I get a minute.

[Diamond Lil]

Thanks Max.

[Max]

Here is a wmv format lil, I don't use it much anymore because it gives up so much data the way wmv works.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/desktop.wmv

[Max]

I started playing with this because I wanted to convert mts files off my hd video camera to avi for both storage size and so they could be used in a lot of editing programs. While the program I use is all line commands it does an excellent job, very fast and creates an excellent video with a great amount of controls. Not to mention it is also free and will convert just about any audio or video file to just about any format you like as long as you have the codecs on your machine.

To give you an idea it takes a few minutes to figure the code out for each thing you want to do but the code is generic so once you get the rate set you can copy and paste and change the file names for what you want to do. Here was the conversion code ffmpeg -i desktop.avi -vcodec mpeg4 -b 5000k -s 960x540 -y desktop.wmv

[Diamond Lil]

Wow, is that beyond me, but the conversion does not look very complex on the surface. I would not even know what program to work in to make such a change.


"So you think your apple rocks, well you ain't seen nothing." A little Linux muscle flexing?

[Max]

Lil when you say beyond you I doubt that but I have found that having no GUI interface and doing it all line commands means that you aren't boxed in by what ever the author of the interface wanted to allow. It is like having a program with literally thousands and thousands of possible variations using raw code. There are about 200 switches that can be used and then you can set bit rate, frame rate, quality, file codec, audio codec and anything else you can think of at exactly however you like. It takes a lot longer to learn then sitting down with a new program but unleashes your imagination to do what ever you like. Took me an hour to figure out how to add a different audio file to a desktop capture but I did figure it out. :rofl:

[Diamond Lil]

GUI interface: Program like Mac OS
Line commands: typing commands at prompts
Code: a rule for converting a piece of information (for example, a letter, word, phrase, or gesture) into another form or representation
Switches: those letters and numbers preceded with a "\"
Bit rate: the number of bits that are conveyed or processed per unit of time
Frame rate: the measurement of the frequency (rate) at which an imaging device produces unique consecutive images called frames. The term applies equally well to computer graphics, video cameras, film cameras, and motion capture systems

UhOh! This could take a while! :eek:

I think I understand what you meant. :laugh

[Max]

Lil see if you can view an mp4 file. I'm just looking for a format that offers excellent quality but more people can view.

This was from a Yorkie Meet I took my boy to. You can see he doesn't venture far from me even though you only see my legs.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/yorkie.mp4

[Max]

Oh and that was what my project started out to do. I have a ton of mts files that even windows has problems with without expensive software and the files are huge. So I want something to convert them without loss of quality and without spending a fortune on software that will only be used a short time.

[EZE RIDER]

I have been using PC's since my Commodore 64 from around 1980. I am not any kind of expert but probably know a touch more than most. I have however bought my first Mac and have only had it a few months so I'm still getting used to it. Quicktime required me to download a third party add on to view windows formats. I have downloaded it and I cant see your attachment. I'm gonna try a reboot then try again.

[Max]

I guess I'm not sure what is going on. I have a macbook and it played all of the files without issue but because I do so much with videos I have almost all codecs loaded. Apple is worst then windows IMHO with it's proprietary loads and you have to really add everything else to make it work. It actually played the first avi I loaded excellent and that looked the best. I do wish that they would standardize codecs to avoid all these issues.

Here is the same file in avi format that I just tested on my mac and it looks perfect on it.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/yorkie.avi

[Max]

Well I booted up a windows machine and they all played except the wmv which came back with a file error. I really prefer to use the avi format just because it is so clean and seems to work best on everything I have but want to find a format that people don't have to upgrade systems to watch.

[Diamond Lil]

Lil see if you can view an mp4 file. I'm just looking for a format that offers excellent quality but more people can view.

This was from a Yorkie Meet I took my boy to. You can see he doesn't venture far from me even though you only see my legs.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/yorkie.mp4
Hi Max,
No, this one won't show either. Here is the page: http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/yorkie.mp4

[Max]

Lil I'll have to find you a good page for codecs to load on your mac. Do you have divx loaded?

[Diamond Lil]

I guess I'm not sure what is going on. I have a macbook and it played all of the files without issue but because I do so much with videos I have almost all codecs loaded. Apple is worst then windows IMHO with it's proprietary loads and you have to really add everything else to make it work. It actually played the first avi I loaded excellent and that looked the best. I do wish that they would standardize codecs to avoid all these issues.

Here is the same file in avi format that I just tested on my mac and it looks perfect on it.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/yorkie.avi

Hi Max,
This one redirects to the same page as the first post, for additional QuickTime Components.

[Diamond Lil]

Max, I just loaded Divx and can see both files however, the yorkie film has no sound.

[Diamond Lil]

The dialogue box says:
You may need an additional audio decoder to play the soundtrack of this file.

This file contains a track in the Dolby AC3 (code "8192") format. You may need to install a DirectShow decoder for this audio format in order to hear the soundtrack of this file.

[Max]

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/yorkieet.mov

Try the mov format, I know even a box stock apple should play that.

[Diamond Lil]

I can play it but no sound. I get the redirect again.

[Max]

I can play it but no sound. I get the redirect again.

I guess I'll have to change the sound format inside the file. That was done using lame which should be mp3.

[EZE RIDER]

Same here. I can see the video but no sound. Maybe thats a good thing in this case. :rofl:

[Max]

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/yorkieet1.mov

This is one with the sound removed all together so it shouldn't call for any codec. I just need to figure out what codec comes stock with quicktime I guess.

[Diamond Lil]

This one loads up the quickest and does so online without having to save the file.

[Diamond Lil]

Well now! I love it! We don't have Yorkie meets here. What is wrong with us?!?!?!?

Buster did pretty good. He ventured away a bit. Was it his first meet?

[Max]

I do appreciate you guys trying these to let me know what works for you. Here is a very basic wav embeded file with mono and 16hz.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/yorkieet2.mov

[Max]

And Lil the yorkie meets are a hoot. It is a sea of yorkie's moving around and if anyone squeaks a ball look out they all jump. LOL

[Diamond Lil]

Okay, so now Ali is barking and I'm laughing out loud. You can tell a Yorkie bark anywhere! What a hoot!

You know, Buster being the handsome fellow he is must attract many suitors!

[Diamond Lil]

And Lil the yorkie meets are a hoot. It is a sea of yorkie's moving around and if anyone squeaks a ball look out they all jump. LOL

I just read this. Yorkie meets have just entered the category of events that must be recorded. :laugh

[Max]

No matter how many times I play the video it always gets the dogs going here. Poor princess kept me up half the night last night. She is only 15 but has some pretty bad hip problems and fritz who will be 18 Dec 7th comes and let's me know she is having problems. How many people break up vicodin for the dogs at 2am and sit with them?

[Diamond Lil]

No matter how many times I play the video it always gets the dogs going here. Poor princess kept me up half the night last night. She is only 15 but has some pretty bad hip problems and fritz who will be 18 Dec 7th comes and let's me know she is having problems. How many people break up vicodin for the dogs at 2am and sit with them?

Texans with a big heart for little dogs. ;)
You know they rely upon you and you do what need be done. :heart

[Max]

Lil I promised an angel that I would take care of them and never let them suffer if I could stop it. One of the many things I promised that I do my best to keep.

[Diamond Lil]

Do you still have that hug coupon?

[Max]

Yes and thanks.

[Max]

Lil if you have ever seen lonesome dove I know just how Woodrow feels. I'll have to be more careful in the future and watch what I promise. But I am a man of my word.

[Diamond Lil]

Now I have to rent a movie...

[Diamond Lil]

I'm somewhat confident that one of the promises was to take care of yourself.

[EZE RIDER]

I was right. It is better without the sound. :rofl:


That last one worked fine.

[Max]

I'm somewhat confident that one of the promises was to take care of yourself.

That was the last thing I promised her before she left me lil. I promised her I would be alright without her but that is the hardest promise to keep that I made. I can save you watching the eight or so hours of lonesome dove. Jeannie always thought they cast woodrow after me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deV68rbsNyQ

[Diamond Lil]

I bet that wise woman only made you promise that which she knew you had the strength to keep and that she had your best interests at heart when she asked you to make them.

[Max]

I bet that wise woman only made you promise that which she knew you had the strength to keep and that she had your best interests at heart when she asked you to make them.

Lil the one thing I don't wish anyone ever is to have to hold the hand of your best friend in the world and wait for death to come and take them. Nothing compares to it that I have ever been through in my life. I don't wish that on anyone.

[Diamond Lil]

May God bless you Max. You are a good man and a very special person to have been there for her.

[Max]

Lil see if you can get this video to play. It is the first video made from start to finish including titles, transitions and even added some film ageing to the mix for fun.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/buster/buster.mpg

[Diamond Lil]

Max, if I open the link online all I get is sound. Upon downloading and attempting to view using both QuickTime and DivX I get nothing.

[Max]

Thanks Lil, I'll try to find a format that still allows the effects but can work. I tried to use some standard codes in it but the effects make it difficult.

[Diamond Lil]

Not a problem Max.

[Max]

Ok see what you get with avi. This is a buried h264 code in this one.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/buster/untitled.avi

[Max]

Here is also how to get the H 264 codec from apple if you don't have it. Almost everything hd uses this codec these days but it doesn't come standard with anything I am aware of

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/technologies/h264/

[echo3]

I haven't been able to open anything except the YouTube clip. :(

[echo3]

THat's weird, I kept Media Player open in the background and after a few minutes I got sound too. I could hear Buster barking, but no pic. Just some shadowy shapes and some sort of intro??

[Max]

I haven't been able to open anything except the YouTube clip. :(

What OS do you use?

[echo3]

Windows 7

[Max]

Windows 7


Is the only player you have windows media player?

[echo3]

I'm not sure, I'll have to look. I just bought it this weekend for pics.
All I know is it has built-in Bluetooth, plays Blue-ray and has ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 graphics. Oh, it says it has Vaio Movie Story, MusicBox, Media Plus & more.:confused:

[Max]

I'm not sure, I'll have to look. I just bought it this weekend for pics.
All I know is it has built-in Bluetooth, plays Blue-ray and has ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 graphics. Oh, it says it has Vaio Movie Story, MusicBox, Media Plus & more.:confused:

Must be a sony. :)

[Max]

THis is a very low quality wmv but I don't know if the codec I have for wmv will work without complaints.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/untitled.wmv

[echo3]

Yes it is, I almost bought a Mac, but the one closest to this was about $700 more. :(
I consulted with Lil first and she said this was the best next choice! :)

[echo3]

You've encountered error message C00D10D1 while using Windows Media Player. The following information might help you troubleshoot the issue.

Codec is missing
Windows Media Player cannot play the file (or cannot play either the audio or video portion of the file) because the Dolby AC3 (2000) codec is not installed on your computer.

The missing codec might be available to download from the Internet. To search for the Dolby AC3 (2000) codec, see WMPlugins.com.

[Max]

Yes it is, I almost bought a Mac, but the one closest to this was about $700 more. :(
I consulted with Lil first and she said this was the best next choice! :)

Sony makes a good machine but you have to start by going in and running msconfig and shutting down the 10k programs they have that pre-load every time the machine starts. Just a lot of proprietary stuff. If you don't know how to do it just start-run- then type in msconfig and simply select everything to uncheck on what used to be the third tab. It will check what is needed to run by itself when it restarts and of course prompt you that it has been changed to allow it. It really lets the machines breath.

[Diamond Lil]

Erin, what Max said!

[echo3]

Thanks for the help Max and Lil. I paid an extra $100 when I purchased it for them to clean the junk off of it and make recovery discs etc. I told them I didn't want any junk on it at all. I'll have to see what is left.
I had no idea how to do it, thanks!!!:thanks

[Diamond Lil]

Oops. Oh well. Too bad we did not know earlier. The good thing is that it is done.

[echo3]

I should still check and see if there is anything I don't want. They did offer to clear more off if need be. Either way, it is still good to know how to do it!

[Max]

Lil I just fired up my macbook with 10.5 and played most of the movies on the page. Most of them use codecs according to my mac from divx which is found on the apple site. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/components.html

You can load it or not and either way it doesn't change the movie issue since most people don't know how or want to mess with them. It simply makes movies just like they always have been that nothing is standardized and a mess to work with. I started this as part of a new site I wanted to put together but it depends heavily on video and considering the issues with them it may be better put off for a while.

[Diamond Lil]

Max, I loaded it last night. My iMac is running 10.5.8. Every movie you've loaded up I have attempted to open with it. All, but the very last one work with it. The only hitch was with sound, but one of your last posts last night solved that problem.

Is it all the proprietary issues that make standardization so unattainable?

Another project? Good for you!

[Max]

Who can try this for me? This is flash embeded which is what youtube uses but I'm not sure exactly which codec version they use.

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/buster/untitled.flv

THis was the quote I found from youtube on the codec

The .FLV file format (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLV) uses the KISS (keep it simple stupid) approach. It offers neither the high fidelity or the flexibility of file formats like QuickTime or Windows Media. But it does what it does well: playing back simple video streams with some meta information.

[echo3]

Max, I tried to open it and it sent me here:

http://0.r.msn.com/?ld=2vB+u2x45n18kp2r/KvDSJaz70F5hcOyrjElf6gTgfk8GeZvG4od6RbwfeadM1otfVu KK/W3Qf5RVq7EONKqIRBlqD7NroB0kczTb3R6I9Kqr/OVA8OjzeVJreMQlwOYgWuXqUwPKZJ2nnjbr3mqJneIthjYMmpV smJF6IOdY8I2E37ypYVlNadVFCkX4VzVZhZ/6ajegIvr7neWa0m3hYXC4RZpyP+XPShQyGkSb2kfm+HTF5KszD U4/J+KDeUfXV5NWQU2d7LcHsyAhb8EhPR0vaXuohLEy3gAv9Cw==

Should I download (or is it upload) the drivers?

[Max]

Max, I tried to open it and it sent me here:

http://0.r.msn.com/?ld=2vB+u2x45n18kp2r/KvDSJaz70F5hcOyrjElf6gTgfk8GeZvG4od6RbwfeadM1otfVu KK/W3Qf5RVq7EONKqIRBlqD7NroB0kczTb3R6I9Kqr/OVA8OjzeVJreMQlwOYgWuXqUwPKZJ2nnjbr3mqJneIthjYMmpV smJF6IOdY8I2E37ypYVlNadVFCkX4VzVZhZ/6ajegIvr7neWa0m3hYXC4RZpyP+XPShQyGkSb2kfm+HTF5KszD U4/J+KDeUfXV5NWQU2d7LcHsyAhb8EhPR0vaXuohLEy3gAv9Cw==

Should I download (or is it upload) the drivers?

I wouldn't update using that site. FLV is flash and I would get any update from flash itself. This is the only place I would get flash or a flash driver from http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

[EZE RIDER]

Max, It didnt stream for me on the Mac and when fully downloaded it wouldnt play saying that Safari had nothing to open it with.

[Max]

Here it is with video and no sound. Just trying to figure out what codecs people are missing. The codecs I used I got right from youtube and I assume almost everyone can play there videos.

[Diamond Lil]

I cannot open that flv file with anything.

[Max]

I cannot open that flv file with anything.


Thanks lil, it should have opened with your browser. I guess I have a lot to learn about codecs.

[Diamond Lil]

Hey, it is kind of fun. I'm just learning by listening here.

[Max]

Hey, it is kind of fun. I'm just learning by listening here.


Lil I wish I could say the same. I have a couple of extra old machines that I may just load with windows xp and vista which I own copies of each to try. I have a mac mini and a macbook and may reload the mini just so I can try what I build. I could always just build things using windows and adobe which I own a copy of just about everything of but I want to do this project all with Linux just to say it can be done. The problem now is when I recode things they all work on my machines but not others so it's hard to know when the file codes are actually being changed or just when the file extensions are just being changed. The one thing about linux is that after you figure out how to configure codecs with it that you can run and play anything made by anyone except of course blu-ray but even that is only a matter of time. :) Keep in mind that 75% of the net is run on linux and apache.

[Diamond Lil]

Max, will there ever be a standard?
If use Linux and Apache are so prevalent then why is it that you should have so many challenges? One with my deep ignorance would think working in Linux would be relatiely speaking, simple.

[Max]

Lil even though the net is powered with linux we are still a nation of copyrights. Most of the codec issues that I fight are directly related to codes that people own and with a Mac and windows they are included as part of the price. With linux it is open source and pays no one so many codecs are installed by the user and there fore don't translate the same. When you look at the net they simply host the files and don't make them. And no I doubt we ever see a standard code in our lifetime.

[Diamond Lil]

Wow, simply wow. It is a wonder we communicate.

[Max]

Wow, simply wow. It is a wonder we communicate.

I guess I don't follow you on that Lil. Did I do something wrong?

[Max]

Lil if your talking about the copyright here is why some things like ffmpeg that I use go under the radar or I should say that the big companies let it go. Not that it is legal but they assume and I had to laugh when I read this that only the propeller heads used it. :rofl:

So what's the deal with FFmpeg?

FFmpeg also tries to stay below the radar by being open source and basically NOT OFFERING AN EASY INSTALLER OR INTERFACE. If they did, they would raise the ire of many big companies. FFmpeg converts dozens of patented file formats and codecs and by keeping its use to propeller heads, they steer clear of reaching a size that could make them a target.

[Max]

Well after a break I compiled a video in Linux and then took it to windows and simply washed it with Adobe premiere, of course I have been able to play all of the videos in either windows, linux or apple but I have all the codecs made installed. So try this after being washed with XP

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/twosome.avi

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/thumbs/twosome.avi (http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=12135)

[Diamond Lil]

I guess I don't follow you on that Lil. Did I do something wrong?

Max, somehow I missed this. Here is what I was responding to:
...And no I doubt we ever see a standard code in our lifetime.

[Diamond Lil]

....

So what's the deal with FFmpeg?

FFmpeg also tries to stay below the radar by being open source and basically NOT OFFERING AN EASY INSTALLER OR INTERFACE. If they did, they would raise the ire of many big companies. FFmpeg converts dozens of patented file formats and codecs and by keeping its use to propeller heads, they steer clear of reaching a size that could make them a target.

And that makes the whole thing even funnier, in an odd sort of way. :rofl:

[Diamond Lil]

Well after a break I compiled a video in Linux and then took it to windows and simply washed it with Adobe premiere, of course I have been able to play all of the videos in either windows, linux or apple but I have all the codecs made installed. So try this after being washed with XP

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/twosome.avi

http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/data/500/thumbs/twosome.avi (http://www.moviephotoforums.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=12135)

Max, they are wonderfully hilarious! How could anyone not love those two!

BTW I got sound only after downloading and opening with QuickTime.

[Max]

Lil those two are not the original odd couple but the antics they pull are about the same as the TV odd couple.

[Diamond Lil]

At the end of the film, I love the look an the Dachshund's face. He looks as if he is grinning from ear to ear.

I think they are good for each other.

[Max]

Well after a great deal of playing to find the exact codec I just leave it upto youtube to make the codec right. I can load an mp4 or avi I make and let them convert it to flash and they don't come out bad. I was at the Dickie's 500 this weekend and caught this entrance of a pace car. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qeec21RaRZg

[Diamond Lil]

Nice video, but what an incredible helicopter!

[EZE RIDER]

How cool is that! ZZTop was pretty cool too.